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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.03.22 05:02:25 -
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Adriana Nolen wrote:Quote: E. Observatory arrays Dedicated to intelligence gathering. ...... be able to affect or pinpoint cloak users. .... Speechless Depends on how it is implimented:
If the cloaker has to log off / change systems when a SOV structure announces it is onlining that hits back at the cloakers especially if they really are AFK and about to be de-cloaked.
If you can have ships that use a series of D-scans and ineffective probes to get closer and hunt down cloakers then you can actively avoid them in a "cat and mouse" game.
Sitting 100% perfectly safe in conditions better than being docked is clearly broken and goes against EVE's risk vs reward principle.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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SOV is stagnant because Low Sec is not the next step from High Sec and a viable place to grow alliances to the point they can challenge Null alliances.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.03.22 05:10:55 -
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Chewytowel Haklar wrote:If it only works for normal cloaks and not covert ops that might make sense. No. Stink bomb package posted to CCP sort of "No".
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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SOV is stagnant because Low Sec is not the next step from High Sec and a viable place to grow alliances to the point they can challenge Null alliances.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.03.22 16:46:03 -
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Gimme Sake wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:I think this idea goes hand in hand with the removal of local Can't wait for local removal. This is the most inane idea that people have latched onto for years. They remove local from Null Sec and I would just go to a Worm Hole
You get more ISK and they can't hot drop you there.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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SOV is stagnant because Low Sec is not the next step from High Sec and a viable place to grow alliances to the point they can challenge Null alliances.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.03.23 18:49:42 -
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There are people I scroll right past. I think I have become one of those people.
Remember though guys, the forums are here just for us to vent and reassure each other. If they want to know something, we will get a questionaire.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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SOV is stagnant because Low Sec is not the next step from High Sec and a viable place to grow alliances to the point they can challenge Null alliances.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.03.23 20:27:12 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The bottom line on this topic is that the play style around denying playing of the game in such a manner that one need not have to play the game is one of the causes of the Great Malaise that has been killing this game.
I see the little quips about how an AFK player is of no harm. These are the people getting off on the Schrodinger's Cat game. All well and good then, but YOU cannot be AFK too.
It's a PVP game, remember? HTFU, remember?
All they want to do is prevent people who like to spend a sporadic hour hunting here and there and be logged in and cloaked somewhere for the remaining 23 hours.
It's very clear what they are doing and there is no more telling lies about it and gas lighting everybody else on the matter with little snarks.
All of the little strawmen set up to protect this griefing have been knocked down. The players who have noted that the mechanics in the past have favored this so called "play style" chose to play something else. When you make the sandbox into your litterbox and then complain about lack of targets then you should think of playing something else.
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Luna Arindale wrote:Why are you all so angry? There is going to be no more pos shields so rorquals and orcas can't sit perfectly safe afk boosting anymore. I deem this a damn fair trade off for that. All this does is make there be only two ways to be afk in eve, inside of a station, or docked/moored with the other new constructs. Be happy that you'll get more targets to shoot without having to rely heavily on cloaks and cynos. Attach / dock up/ log off as soon as a red is seen within 5 systems of your ship.
Do the same as soon as a red signature goes up. It might be a worm hole, wait until you are sure it is not.
Keep bending the game around to making these defenseless ships more gankable? Simply stop flying them. Accept that Skiffs and Miasmos'es are as good as it gets.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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SOV is stagnant because Low Sec is not the next step from High Sec and a viable place to grow alliances to the point they can challenge Null alliances.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.03.24 01:23:48 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Luna Arindale wrote:Why are you all so angry? There is going to be no more pos shields so rorquals and orcas can't sit perfectly safe afk boosting anymore. I deem this a damn fair trade off for that. All this does is make there be only two ways to be afk in eve, inside of a station, or docked/moored with the other new constructs. Be happy that you'll get more targets to shoot without having to rely heavily on cloaks and cynos. Keep bending the game around to making these defenseless ships more gankable? If a Rorqual or Orca is boosting, then there are players active. If they can't defend their assets, then they don't deserve to keep them. There's no need to just keep making the game safer and safer, just because there is a view that Rorquals and Orca's are defenceless. Be prepared to defend them or don't use them to gain a benefit in the first place. I have been advocating ways for Rorquals and Orcas to be seen in belts again with some sane reasoning.
The basic point is that EVE players will not sit around guarding a Rorqual with combat ships and they can be killed extremely quickly. Also considering the nature of Null Sec they could have a drive-by Titan dropped on them or a myriad of other things.
Most people won't and some will only float a Rorqual around once until it dies. Then they will not replace it under ludicrous decisions. (Keep in mind that this is me saying these things. I mine and I PVP. I am not one of the completely combat adverse miners who dock or die and won't undock until the enemies are well and truly gone.)
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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SOV is stagnant because Low Sec is not the next step from High Sec and a viable place to grow alliances to the point they can challenge Null alliances.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.03.25 01:23:38 -
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kitsune Sabre wrote:somebody using cloaking device no big deal if I get attacked by that person then one of my friends could come over and help me deal with them I'm not going to be a coward over one person How about this scenario that I have seen:
- The covert hot dropper has alts in every system. - Knows how many you have and how many can respond. - Drops a force that wipes out you and any of your friends that can respond in time.
Sits there for weeks.
Slow strangling death for an alliance. While him? He gets to pick exactly when he plays those alts while all the others have play denial. "Fun" game.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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SOV is stagnant because Low Sec is not the next step from High Sec and a viable place to grow alliances to the point they can challenge Null alliances.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.03.25 13:24:56 -
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Lucas Kell wrote: I Certainly defend mining as in I want the activity to continue, though I'd prefer it's AFK play to be addressed. I have come to like the semi-AFK nature of mining. It is when you can organise things, share fits, make plans and so forth, all while making some ISK. If it became an active mini-game annoying activity then I would spin my ship when I was doing those things.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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SOV is stagnant because Low Sec is not the next step from High Sec and a viable place to grow alliances to the point they can challenge Null alliances.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.03.26 10:21:31 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Just rat in pairs.. or be on comms like you should and the chance of dieing to a single cloak ship is small. The only real risk is that cloak ships opening a cyno/covert cyno. . That needs the emphasis. They also work as effective warp to points and can pin a target while the others are in warp (for other types of space)
Recons with: - ineffectual probes that give a general location - D-scan that works if others are cloaked or not - slow activating "sonar" module that allows them to see through a cloak that is on grid.
They can target but only ways for them to de-cloak them is 2km proximity or neut the cloak off them.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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SOV is stagnant because Low Sec is not the next step from High Sec and a viable place to grow alliances to the point they can challenge Null alliances.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.03.26 19:16:40 -
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Lan Wang wrote:baltec1 wrote:Cant wait to hear the screams out outrage when CCP changes local chat in null to the same as WH space. people will just leave nullsec, rather go to a wormhole if they ever done that, more money and safer +1 Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Lordy, this thread is still going.
If CCP do nerf cloaking, some folk will complain.
If CCP do not nerf cloaking, some folk will complain.
My persoanl preference is to leave cloaking alone as it enables the little folk like my good self to have an economic impact on my enemies.
A sort of David and Goliath scenario.
That so many folk can be so scared of one ship amuses me no end. Trouble is that it is being used by whole coalitions to hot drop into every system and there is no way of digging that hot dropper out once they take root.
They just sit there, day in and day out and pick off people in low time zones or newbies to Null.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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SOV is stagnant because Low Sec is not the next step from High Sec and a viable place to grow alliances to the point they can challenge Null alliances.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.03.27 00:37:06 -
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sabre906 wrote:There is no economic impact. Your enemies will just move one system over and farm there. . You haven't seen blanket AFK camping, have you?
We worked out their staging system by backward calculating and basically triangulating where all their cyno alts could reach.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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SOV is stagnant because Low Sec is not the next step from High Sec and a viable place to grow alliances to the point they can challenge Null alliances.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.03.28 03:39:44 -
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Trii Seo wrote:Hey, if they remove local - AFK cloaking won't even be needed anymore. Recons + D-scan immunity + mobile depot + cloak to evade probesbaltec1 wrote:Its funny how people pick up on the hint of an afk cloaking nerf while ignoring that there was also a hint at local chat intel nerf in the same announcement. Worm Holes will be sweet heaven as you can't hot drop there.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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SOV is stagnant because Low Sec is not the next step from High Sec and a viable place to grow alliances to the point they can challenge Null alliances.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.03.28 04:00:13 -
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Shaklu wrote:I like it. New stuff is cool, if it doesn't work then it doesn't work, but always fun to try it out! Hang on, I have a new iron maiden and some vinegar. Want to try it out?
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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SOV is stagnant because Low Sec is not the next step from High Sec and a viable place to grow alliances to the point they can challenge Null alliances.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.03.29 13:54:14 -
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CCP, "Null Sec is printing ISK!" Null Line Member, "Well, yes, it has the highest bounties so that is where ISK is generated" CCP, "Ah ha! So you are filthy rich!" Null Line Member, "No. The cost of living in Null is high and I have to keep buying things from High Sec." CCP, "Lies! Lies! We have our graphs!"
Null Line Member, "Okay, so explain this to me then? Why do alliances find SRP programs such a huge help? Why are so many member 'risk adverse Null Bear'? Why is most of EVE bottled up in High Sec, most likely in NPC and teaching corps? If Null is such a heaven then why aren't more people pushing their way out into Null Sec?"
CCP, "Null stagnation! Super capital blobs and Titans are keeping the status quo!" Null Line Member, "Surely people can join and then fragment portions of those coalitions away? What if you made a proper stepping stone from High Sec to Null Sec?"
Fozzie Logic Low Sec 2.0, full of nerf bats coming to your Null Sec this summer!
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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SOV is stagnant because Low Sec is not the next step from High Sec and a viable place to grow alliances to the point they can challenge Null alliances.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.03.31 02:01:55 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: ... so only the real hunter rather than the person travelling from a to b and seeing a non-blue in local and calling some friends, will be hunting you. ... There is this thing called worm holes and they have ways around this.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.03.31 12:55:27 -
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baltec1 wrote:Cant have one without the other. Remove AFK cloaking without dealing with local and ... Wrong. Done right active cloaking is just as effective but requires some effort and intelligence.
I praise the gods of average IQs that people do not see how to properly apply tactics and use weak / broken mechanics to completely break this game - yet.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.04.01 13:33:55 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:... Bottom line is that indefinite AFK cloaking is bad for the game. Look at how it gets used and look at how "that one big organization" that can deal with it sells nullsec carebearing to the same kind of people they complain about who go carebearing elsewhere and don't join their large organization. All of the arguments are transparent. ... Are people this blind to their own folly? No wonder the world is going down the toilet. I concur. EVE could do with some target marketing (Ubuntu Software Center for Linux types, resource sites that coders and engineers call upon, et cetera) and a few more Darwin steps especially in the "end game" areas.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.04.03 00:00:38 -
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CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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